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Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:20 pm

Does anyone have an opinion on the proposed legislation that certain politicians are trying to bring in under the guise of protecting jobs, kids, and whatever?

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Personally, I'm fed up of the scaremongering. It's had the opposite effect by causing me to wake up and fight back. Before SOPA, I wasn't bothered in the slightest. Post SOPA, I'm playing whack-a-mole with legislation, raising awareness and protesting on and off line.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:03 pm

I don't know what it is. What is it?
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:20 pm

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Those are the most pertinent posts. I started reading the tech blogs to find out what was going on and why the internet was in such an uproar. What I found sent me into a politically-motivated frenzy. Now I'm trying to get people to educate themselves about this stuff by reading the text of these laws, then going to their representatives to complain about them. The idea is, you put so much pressure on your congressman/woman or whatever (it's MP over here) that they have to oppose it or they know you won't vote for them in the next election and could end up looking for real jobs.

It's not about validating internet piracy, it's about standing up for the rights of innocent everyday users. You really need to read the text of the laws, which I've linked in the blog posts. Forget Alien or Dracula, they are where the horror is at!
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:30 pm

I worry about the copyright issues. Right now, there's a guy who has taken other people's literary property and had sold it on Kindle. Now, he tweaked them a bit - especially the titles so they weren't easily spotted - but I don't see these as anything other than theft. I want my stuff - your stuff - protected from this, and just my thought, we've got to start somewhere.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:39 pm

I'm with you on the "Infringement is bad" thing, but get this:

Bogus DMCA Takedown Notice on Google search results

Perve-merchants Paper Street Cash filed a bogus DMCA takedown notice with Google over items they had no copyright jurisdiction over. Warning: don't check out the "skeet" website, it's revolting and very graphic hard core porn.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=189468

Innocent website takedowns make none of us any safer

Innocent website-hosting service mooo.com got taken down for a couple of days, accused of child porn, then put back up, disrupting the livelihoods of 84,000 people. http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government- ... ke-110216/

Online form-builder Jotform got taken down for 24 hours by the secret service (I thought they were all about terrorists. Why are they moonlighting on this?), then after an internet kerfuffle was reinstated with no explanation. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201202 ... ened.shtml

Rap blog Dajaz1.com was seized for over a year, then gave it back with no explanation. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201112 ... ails.shtml

What if they suddenly decided to shut us down because we talk about sci-fi and fantasy here, then give it back because "it was an honest mistake?"

It's disgusting what that fellow did but there were laws in place to punish him before all this stuff happened. I think it's the authorities flexing their muscles to see what they can actually do. It's unconstitutional so they're getting thrown out of court. That's what all the obfuscation was about for Dajaz1. We can haz due process? Evidently not.

Amazon facilitates Kindle e-book fraud

Speaking of which, I believe you're referring to this: http://www.publishingtrends.com/2011/04 ... new-fraud/

Advice on how to deal with it should it come up: http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle?_enc ... 8SYLHXF23F

This excellent post explains what would have happened if the SOPA/PIPA laws had passed: Amazon's whole operation would have been shut down because of the infringement. http://www.fastcompany.com/1810943/amaz ... -sopa-pipa

I realise that litigation is costly and it's natural to want a simple solution but your DMCA takedown notice is the most reasonable recourse. Or don't use Kindle in the first place.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:26 pm

Thanks for those, Candy.

I don't trust Facebook, period. And the fact that Amazon did not correct the author's problem (they kept both for sale!!!! They are not without gall, are they?), has pretty much done it for me.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:37 pm

Oh, I wouldn't rush to get involved with Amazon for publishing till they sort that out. FB I use to promote my websites and other stuff — that's it. I recently wrote an expose on DMCA takedown abuse. My goodness, the things that go on!

The whole system needs to be reformed with a view to protecting creatives, not the copyrights industry.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:43 pm

Oh. See, I thought it was copyrights that needed protecting, because of what happened to my agent.

She's the one who came up with the tradition of the Christmas elf and has the 1963 copyright. Her next-door neighbor - who spent most Christmases with her family - stole the idea and published it as "The Elf on the Shelf". This woman won't even state her name on the products, she's such a coward. And she's threatened my agent with lawsuits if she brings this up.

I, however, don't give a tinker's dam.

Interestingly enough, a hilarious parody called "The Elf off the Shelf" came out a while back. This hypocrite took that author to court, and lost. So droll. So, both books are out and they're both making money hand over fist while my agent watches this crone rake in seven mill...

My, that felt good :D!
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:53 pm

Ouch! It's important to register books, poems, and other creative works so you can prove you own the copyright. If someone does infringe on your copyright you can send a DMCA takedown notice to the infringer. If they refuse to sort it out you go to the next step in the ladder. On the internet, it's the hosting company. If it's on a blog, it's LiveJournal, Blogger, or whatever.

You need to be specific about what the problem is and be able to prove it. E.g. attach photos to the claim if your images are being used without your permission.

If you get no joy, you find out who is hosting the actual website and bring the matter to their attention. If it's Go Daddy, you go to them. Go Daddy have a very robust policy for taking down infringing content so if you complain and prove you have an infringement problem, they'll take down the flippin' lot till the content is removed.

Google are also pretty good with this. As I said, though, prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooks_Sour ... ontroversy

This is what happens when you infringe online.

Your friend should have complained, and would have won if she'd been able to prove it.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:22 pm

You're right, she should have. But this was her best friend and the whole thing absolutely paralyzed her. She's spent the time trying to appeal to this creature's better angels and still can't believe she has none. *sigh*

I think what gave her a smidgen of hope, were the very poor reviews of "The Elf on the Shelf" Christmas special. It lacked joy, heart, spirit - not at all like the work I have from Jo, which is chock-full of it.

As you can see :lol:, it's hard for me to be detached about this and look at the whole thing without passion. I'm very angry for my friend (yeah, she's my agent but she's become beloved of me), and it's tough to see through all the red.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:32 pm

Her best friend? Wow! What. A. Bitch.

I make no apology for using that word. She was well out of order. I can't imagine doing something like that because to me, it's like saying, "I am so bereft of talent I'm obliged to use other people's."

The only thing that thief is any good at is stealing.

I'll admit I often use other peoples' photos for my stuff (I usually alter them beyond all recognition) but I've never really made any money out of them. I can't afford to get stock images in. This whole debate has made me think again about my images policy and lately I've been making cartoons and recommending that my clients use photos they have taken themselves.

You're making me rethink my position, and that's a good thing!
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:24 am

I did! :yay: !

But, seriously, it's very sad that there are such bi-pedal vipers in the world. And we need laws to protect ourselves from them, because they lack decency. What I can't figure out is why laws made for other types of communication and publishing, can't simply be transferred to the internet? Why do we need a whole new set?

Unless, the reason is, we've come to realize that laws don't make justice. Instead, it's knowing what justice is to begin with - that humanity is equal, and men & women are head-to-head deserving of dignity and respect, regardless of background or kin, free from monetary value. With that in place, then write we the law and not before...


I don't know. Sometimes I just get carried away and can't find my way back :lol: !
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:25 pm

That's why debates like this are so flippin' useful. Each of us is a reasonable person and each of us presents a point of view backed up with facts rather than vague fear-mongering. The result is, we have each contributed to moving the debate forward.

We do need laws that cover the internet and piracy thereon, but they need to be applied in such a way as the individual creative is protected. Unfortunately, the proposed legislation is all about protecting big business and creatives are left out in the cold. Here's a typical example of the kind of thing I rail against:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201203 ... um=twitter

EMI is the copyright holder, but they're not compensating their artists in a fair way and are controlling the artists' output. As a result, artists are pirating their own work just to get the exposure they need. It's wrong.

Kenny Rogers and other artists have had similar issues.

Have you heard of Black March? To take part, don't go to the movies, buy, rent, or download any movies, shows, music, games, magazines or newspapers for a month. The boycott is to wake up the content industry to the fact that it's the market that should decide how and where content is distributed and how much for. They're trying to lock it down and force us to accept a game played their way by their rules. It's not on.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby shireling » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:14 pm

Candy Kane wrote:...Have you heard of Black March? To take part, don't go to the movies, buy, rent, or download any movies, shows, music, games, magazines or newspapers for a month. The boycott is to wake up the content industry to the fact that it's the market that should decide how and where content is distributed and how much for. They're trying to lock it down and force us to accept a game played their way by their rules. It's not on.

I like that :)! That I can do very easily.
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Re: Internet Legislation

Postby Candy Kane » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:58 pm

Woo hoo! A bit of inconvenience for us, a lot of rethinking for them. What I'll never understand is why, if piracy makes so much money for infringers via advertising, the copyrights holders don't just go and do it themselves.

If they out-pirated the pirates they'd not only make more money, they'd be heroes. As it is, they need to let go of the control they're trying to leverage.

This is assuming that they're telling the truth about the money being made by the pirates.

I'm working on a blog post about it now.
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